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		<title>By: Teach</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-18346</link>
		<dc:creator>Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a successful career in the Oil Industry, giving the Devil his dues.
I came home to work in my home state of Maine in a low paying, rural poor school. I love my job, I teach, I teach Chemistry, I push an pull on the gray matter of kids to get them to think a little differently than the last generation. It is a career with some social responsibility to it and love. I have ideas, ideals and can keep my curiosity.
From the Movie &quot;Say Anything&quot; 
I don&#039;t want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don&#039;t want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don&#039;t want to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a successful career in the Oil Industry, giving the Devil his dues.<br />
I came home to work in my home state of Maine in a low paying, rural poor school. I love my job, I teach, I teach Chemistry, I push an pull on the gray matter of kids to get them to think a little differently than the last generation. It is a career with some social responsibility to it and love. I have ideas, ideals and can keep my curiosity.<br />
From the Movie &#8220;Say Anything&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don&#8217;t want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don&#8217;t want to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-14751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An even bigger irony is how things are right now, 10 months or so after these posts...the economy has gone to shit (meaning industrial jobs are now gone) and the only safe out is teaching. Ha ha ha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An even bigger irony is how things are right now, 10 months or so after these posts&#8230;the economy has gone to shit (meaning industrial jobs are now gone) and the only safe out is teaching. Ha ha ha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching High School Science &#124; Teaching High School Science</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-12390</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching High School Science &#124; Teaching High School Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6:22 am under Classroom Rantings    Here is another link to an article on teaching in hisgh school: http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755 The author talks about parents being too involved or not enough and the state mandating too many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6:22 am under Classroom Rantings    Here is another link to an article on teaching in hisgh school: <a href="http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755</a> The author talks about parents being too involved or not enough and the state mandating too many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: future middle school teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-11559</link>
		<dc:creator>future middle school teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading the posts on here as an outsider. I think its awesome you want to be a teacher. Follow your belief in your work. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading the posts on here as an outsider. I think its awesome you want to be a teacher. Follow your belief in your work. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Yttrai</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-9929</link>
		<dc:creator>Yttrai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not certain you answered my question.  You clarified your position very nicely, and said some very true things.  Things which i totally agree with.  I only wonder what outcome is desired by discouraging people  from teaching?  Not just you, but people in general who do that when learning someone with 10+ years of work experience is leaving the fast paced life of a research chemist to teach.

Merely curious.  Your words have never made me angry; in fact i usually crack up daily.  But this post repeats a message that is given to a lot of career changing teachers (and for all i know people for whom teaching is their first career) and i&#039;m afraid i don&#039;t understand why you would want to ask people not to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not certain you answered my question.  You clarified your position very nicely, and said some very true things.  Things which i totally agree with.  I only wonder what outcome is desired by discouraging people  from teaching?  Not just you, but people in general who do that when learning someone with 10+ years of work experience is leaving the fast paced life of a research chemist to teach.</p>
<p>Merely curious.  Your words have never made me angry; in fact i usually crack up daily.  But this post repeats a message that is given to a lot of career changing teachers (and for all i know people for whom teaching is their first career) and i&#8217;m afraid i don&#8217;t understand why you would want to ask people not to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Finchsigmate</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-9817</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Finchsigmate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people think its the students that drive veteran teachers to cynicism, but that doesn&#039;t seem to be the case.  It&#039;s the other teachers that do it.  Education differs by state, and it differs by county and township.  In short, education in the US is highly inconsistent and, as such, you may well be quite fortunate to land a very good job teaching a science curriculum you designed to well behaved and curious students.

But that&#039;s probably not going to be the case.  Most likely, for your first job, you&#039;ll teach the shitty lower general science courses the far less studious kids are in.  That curriculum will have already been decided for you at the federal, state and county level.  You are, after all, teaching to a test now.  

I&#039;m probably pulling most of this out of my ass, but my wife is a teacher.  It&#039;s the reality of the situation.  Education can be a very spiritually rewarding career for a few people but for others, it&#039;s work - a job - because of statutory requirements placed on educators at the state and federal level.  I&#039;m bitching, not about teachers per se, but the situation they&#039;re in and the circumstances that surround that.  I would like you to get angry at what I say, but telling me to that I&#039;m being discouraging is the wrong place to vent that.  The right place is your congressman and senators and union reps and get No Child Left Behind repealed and return the schools to the teachers.

Or be a chump, I guess.  Those are your options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people think its the students that drive veteran teachers to cynicism, but that doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case.  It&#8217;s the other teachers that do it.  Education differs by state, and it differs by county and township.  In short, education in the US is highly inconsistent and, as such, you may well be quite fortunate to land a very good job teaching a science curriculum you designed to well behaved and curious students.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s probably not going to be the case.  Most likely, for your first job, you&#8217;ll teach the shitty lower general science courses the far less studious kids are in.  That curriculum will have already been decided for you at the federal, state and county level.  You are, after all, teaching to a test now.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably pulling most of this out of my ass, but my wife is a teacher.  It&#8217;s the reality of the situation.  Education can be a very spiritually rewarding career for a few people but for others, it&#8217;s work &#8211; a job &#8211; because of statutory requirements placed on educators at the state and federal level.  I&#8217;m bitching, not about teachers per se, but the situation they&#8217;re in and the circumstances that surround that.  I would like you to get angry at what I say, but telling me to that I&#8217;m being discouraging is the wrong place to vent that.  The right place is your congressman and senators and union reps and get No Child Left Behind repealed and return the schools to the teachers.</p>
<p>Or be a chump, I guess.  Those are your options.</p>
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		<title>By: Yttrai</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-9801</link>
		<dc:creator>Yttrai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some good points, but as someone currently going back to school (i only have a lowly MS, not a PhD) to teach HS chemistry, i have to say i don&#039;t understand the point of bashing people who want to teach?  I have gotten mainly negative messages since i made my decision - people telling me i&#039;m crazy, don&#039;t do it, my life will suck, i&#039;m being stupid, or a chump.

So, is your goal to ensure that people who are enthused about teaching and might actually do a good job and positively influence some students, are dissuaded by your arguments, and end up NOT teaching?  Who is that helping?  You?  Your future hypothetical children? Other teachers?  The students?  The huge problem that is the public educational system in the US?  I agree that you are entitled to your opinion on all things, and this is your blog to do with as you see fit, but i don&#039;t understand who is being helped by the constant negative messages being sent to potential teachers.  

I&#039;m not being snarky.  I&#039;m honestly curious what the desired outcome of this strategy is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some good points, but as someone currently going back to school (i only have a lowly MS, not a PhD) to teach HS chemistry, i have to say i don&#8217;t understand the point of bashing people who want to teach?  I have gotten mainly negative messages since i made my decision &#8211; people telling me i&#8217;m crazy, don&#8217;t do it, my life will suck, i&#8217;m being stupid, or a chump.</p>
<p>So, is your goal to ensure that people who are enthused about teaching and might actually do a good job and positively influence some students, are dissuaded by your arguments, and end up NOT teaching?  Who is that helping?  You?  Your future hypothetical children? Other teachers?  The students?  The huge problem that is the public educational system in the US?  I agree that you are entitled to your opinion on all things, and this is your blog to do with as you see fit, but i don&#8217;t understand who is being helped by the constant negative messages being sent to potential teachers.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not being snarky.  I&#8217;m honestly curious what the desired outcome of this strategy is.</p>
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		<title>By: Darksyde</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-9617</link>
		<dc:creator>Darksyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update:

Substitute teacher has just gotten a job with a christian mission teaching in Honduras.

Hm.  So I know four young people who were starting to be teachers in my city in California.  One dropped out and now works for an investment firm.  His girlfriend is still a teacher, but settled (almost tenured) in a charter school.  A third was a math teacher but got bumped due to mandatory firings and now tutors kids on the evenings and weekends (her boyfriend makes six figures playing online poker).  A fourth is flying off to honduras in september.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:</p>
<p>Substitute teacher has just gotten a job with a christian mission teaching in Honduras.</p>
<p>Hm.  So I know four young people who were starting to be teachers in my city in California.  One dropped out and now works for an investment firm.  His girlfriend is still a teacher, but settled (almost tenured) in a charter school.  A third was a math teacher but got bumped due to mandatory firings and now tutors kids on the evenings and weekends (her boyfriend makes six figures playing online poker).  A fourth is flying off to honduras in september.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Finchsigmate</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-9610</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Finchsigmate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But pick blue state if you&#039;re gonna be a student.</description>
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		<title>By: Darksyde</title>
		<link>http://www.thechemblog.com/?p=755#comment-9605</link>
		<dc:creator>Darksyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you are in Texas.

Good rule of thumb: pick red states if you&#039;re gonna be a teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you are in Texas.</p>
<p>Good rule of thumb: pick red states if you&#8217;re gonna be a teacher.</p>
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